# Fractions as division: The forgotten notion?

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Clarke, Doug. (2006). Fractions as division: The forgotten notion?

*Australian Primary Mathematics Classroom.*11(3), pp. 4 - 10.

Authors | Clarke, Doug |
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Year | 2006 |

Journal | Australian Primary Mathematics Classroom |

Journal citation | 11 (3), pp. 4 - 10 |

Publisher | Australian Association of Mathematics Teachers |

ISSN | 1326-0286 |

Page range | 4 - 10 |

Place of publication | Australia |

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